Sta smo mi radili za vrijeme Krapinskog covjeka to samo Bog dragi zna. Ali Grga, ovo nije bilo tako davno i vjerojatno je uzrok svemu sto se dogadjalo u zadnjem desetljecu.
Bez obzira sto je to bilo 60 godina ranije, mene je kao dobrog covjeka, krscanina i Hrvata, stid sto je to moj narod ucinio. Kako tebe nije stid, nije mi jasno????
Srdacno tvoj prof. Oreskovic, Sweden
"Only a godless ideology could plan and carry out the extermination of a whole people."
John Paul II speaking at Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Memorial in Israel, March 23, 2000
Reprinted with permission from the Clero-Fascist Studies Project.
DESPITE A LOT OF TALK about apologies, the Catholic Church stands ready to anoint a patron saint of genocide. On October 4, 1998 Pope John Paul II traveled to the Republic of Croatia to beatify that country's "national hero", Alojzije Stepinac, the Archbishop of Zagreb during the Second World War. In so doing he underlined the real commitment of the Catholic Church to stand by its history, no matter how barbaric. Officially, Stepinac was honored as a martyr of the Church's most recent crusade, its crusade against communism. But in making this fanatic a saint, the pope is absolving Stepinac of complicity in crimes of genocide against Serbs, Jews and Roma (Gypsies) that took place in the Nazi puppet state of Croatia during the Second World War. This act belies the sincerity of the church's recent and well-publicized campaign to cleanse its past by admitting in a very general way that mistakes were made. In beatifying Stepinac, the pope makes common cause with those who deny that this holocaust ever took place. By making Stepinac a saint, the Catholic church is trying to bury one of the darkest chapters of its own recent history with honor. In Croatia, the church did not merely turn a blind eye to genocide, it was an active and enthusiastic participant. Priests and monks took part in atrocities, bishops promoted anti-Semitism and vilified Serbs at the very moment the Jews and Serbs were being exterminated, and forced conversions took place all across Croatia. All the while, the Vatican stood by, waiting to see whether or not this social experiment would advance its interests. The church has yet to apologize for, or even acknowledge the existence of, this genocide. Now Saint Stepinac stands in the way of memory and responsibility.
THE POLITICAL CONTEXT After the collapse of Yugoslavia, on April 11, 1941, the Nazis installed a puppet regime in Croatia headed by Ante Pavelic, a terrorist and head of the clero-fascist Ustashe movement, as leader or "poglavnik." Pavelic and his followers had been in exile in Italy under the protection of Mussolini and was wanted in both France and Yugoslavia for orchestrating the assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia and French Foreign Minister Louis Barthou. The regime he established in Croatia with the help of his Nazi patrons, the NDH (Independent State of Croatia), was run by the Ustashe party, an organization which combined fascist and Catholic ideologies and which aimed to build a Croatia cleansed of its ethnic and religious rivals, the Eastern Orthodox Serbs.
The identity of the state itself was based more on religious affiliation than on ethnicity, with the fanatically Catholic Ustashe determined to solidify their control through a combination of forced religious conversions, expulsion and outright extermination. In the words of Ustashe Minister of Education and Culture Mile Budak:
The basis for the Ustashe movement is religion. For minorities such as the Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies, we have three million bullets. We will kill a part of the Serbs. Others we will deport, and the rest we will force to accept the Roman Catholic Religion. Thus the new Croatia will be rid of all Serbs in its midst in order to be 100% Catholic within 10 years.
This sentiment was echoed a couple of days later by a pastor from Udbina, Mate Mogus:
Until now we have worked for the Catholic faith with the prayer book and with the cross. Now the time has come to work with rifle and revolver.
The regime quickly moved to make good on these threats. The Ustashe's primary enemy, the Orthodox Slav minority, was persecuted with a ferocity that at times alarmed even their Nazi patrons, who feared that the grisly brutality of the atrocities committed against such a large minority would drive them into the arms of the Partisans. On February 17, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, the day-to-day supervisor of the Final Solution, scarcely known for his great sensitivity, reported to Reich Fьhrer of the SS Heinrich Himmler:
The number of Slavs massacred by the Croats with the most sadistic of methods must be estimated at a count of 300,000.... The fact is that in Croatia, living Serbs who have converted to the Catholic Church, are able to remain residing unharrassed...From this it is clear that the Croat-Serbian state of tension is not least of all a struggle of the Catholic Church against the Orthodox Church.
The Italian fascists who controlled a portion of Croatia during the war were genuinely horrified by the Ustashe and rescued a substantial number of Jews and Orthodox from Ustashe persecution, resisting all attempts to extradite the refugees who fled into their zone of control.
Although the Serbs were the primary target of the Ustashe's ethnic cleansing campaign, they were not the only target. In line with Hitler's directives and a substantial amount of indigenous anti-Semitism and racism, the Ustashe also rounded up and exterminated the vast majority of the Jews and Gypsies in the country.
Whereas part of the horror of the Nazi genocide lay in its dispassionate application of the principles of mass production and efficiency to the business of murder, the Ustashe genocide was far more primitive and personal, characterized by a sadistic personal enjoyment of torture and revenge that harkened back to the very worst excesses of the Dark Ages. Deschner summarizes the horror:
Mass executions were common where the victims had their throats slit, were sometimes quartered, and also now and then hung in butcher shops with the sign: 'human flesh.' Cruelties occurred along side of which the deeds of the German thugs of the KZ paled by comparison. The Ustashe loved games of torture with nightly orgies; they stuck burning nails under fingernails, poured salt into open wounds, cut off all possible body parts and determined by noble competition who was best at cutting throats. They burned churches full of people, impaled children in Vlasenika and Kladany, preferred to cut off noses and ears and poked out eyes. The Italians photographed one Ustashe around whose neck hung two chains of human tongues and eyes.
Like the Nazis, the NDH maintained a series of concentration camps, the most notorious of which was Jasenovac, a camp in which tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, perished. The work of the camps was supplemented by innumerable pogroms in the villages and in the countryside.
The primary targets of this liquidation effort were the educated classes, anyone whom the Ustashe believed likely to retain a separate Serbian culture or identity. For the peasantry there was sometimes the mercy of forced rebaptism, which was conducted en masse throught the countryside. Despite occasional quibbles about the details of the forced conversions, the church in general, both the Croatian clergy and the Vatican, welcomed the conversions as a victory for Catholicism.
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Poruka poslana: 21.05.2003. u 15:35
Grga kako tebe nije stid uopce mi nije jasno, znamo se odavno ???!!
A British author Avro Manhattan's in his book "The Vatican's Holocaust" published in 1986 and 1988 says:
Just ONE NIGHT (page 48):
[Quote] In the concentration camp at Jasenovac, on the night of August 29, 1942, orders were issued for executions. Bets were made as to who could liquidate the largest number of inmates. Peter Brzica cut the throats of 1,360 prisoners with a specially sharp butcher's knife. Having been proclaimed the prize-winner of the competition, he was elected King of the Cut-troats. A gold watch, a silver service, and a roasted sucking pig and wine were his other rewards... [End quote]
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Jasenovac Concentration Camp distinguished itself because of the number of young inmates sent there. In 1942 the camp held over 24,000 [Serb] Orthodox youngsters. Twelve thousand of them were murdered in cold blood by the Commandant. [End quote]
s-pirovi
Gost
Poruka poslana: 21.05.2003. u 15:46
Stidi se stari Grga, a bilo ti je lijepo zivjeti u Jugoslaviji, druziti se i kumovati sa Srbima.
Jasenovac From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Jasenovac gate
Jasenovac was the largest concentration and extermination camp in Croatia and the third largest in WWII. Jasenovac was in fact a complex of several subcamps, in close proximity to each other, on the bank of the Sava River, about 62 miles (100 km) south of Zagreb. The complex included Sisak, a camp for children, and a women’ s camp called Stara Gradiška. Miroslav Filipovic-Majstorovic, the commandant of the camp, was a former Franciscan monk.
Jasenovac was established in August 1941 and was dismantled only in April 1945. The creation of the camp and its management and supervision were entrusted to Department III of the Croatian Security Police (Serbo-Croatian Ustaška Narodna Služba: UNS), headed by Vjekoslav (Maks) Luburic, who was personally responsible for everything that happened. Some six hundred thousand people were murdered at Jasenovac, mostly Serbs, Jews, Gypses, and opponents of the Ustasa regime. The number of Jewish victims was between twenty thousand and twenty-five thousand, most of whom were murdered there up to August 1942, when deportation of the Croatian Jews to Auschwitz for extermination began. Jews were sent to Jasenovac from all parts of Croatia from Zagreb, from Sarajevo, and from other cities and smaller towns. On their arrival most were killed at execution sites near the camp: Granik, Gradina, and other places. Those kept alive were mostly skilled at needed professions and trades (doctors, pharmacists, electricians, shoemakers, goldsmiths, and so on) and were employed in services and workshops at Jasenovac. The living conditions in the camp were extremely severe: a meager diet, deplorable accommodations, a particularly cruel regime, and unbelievably cruel behavior by the Ustaše guards. The conditions improved only for short periods during visits by delegations, such as the press delegation that visited in February 1942 and a Red Cross delegation in June 1944.
"Srbosjek", the Serb-cutter knife
The acts of murder and of cruelty in the camp reached their peak in the late summer of 1942, when tens of thousands of Serbian villagers were deported to Jasenovac from the area of the fighting against the partisans in the Kozara Mountains. Most of the men were killed at Jasenovac. The women were sent for forced labor in Germany, and the children were taken from their mothers; some were murdered and others were dispersed in orphanages throughout the country. On the night of August 29, 1942, bets were made as to who could liquidate the largest number of inmates. Peter Brzica cut the throats of 1,360 prisoners with a especially designed butcher's knife (called "srbosjek" or Serb-cutter). Having been proclaimed the prize-winner of the competition, he was elected King of the Cut-troats. A gold watch, a silver service, and a roasted sucking pig and wine were his other rewards.
In April 1945 the partisan army approached the camp. Ustashe attempted to erase traces of the atrocities. At the last moment, in January, 1945, more than 50,000 prisoners who were able to walk were led from the camp. The Ustasha camp of death Jasenovac, worked at full capacity all the way to the end of April, 1945. Before leaving the camp, the Ustasha killed the remaining prisoners, blasted and destroyed the buildings, guard-houses, torture rooms, the "Picili Furnace" and the other structures. Upon entering the camp, the liberators found only ruins, soot, smoke, and dead bodies. An escape attempt by the prisoners failed, and only a few survived.
The National Committee of Croatia for the investigation of the crimes of the occupation forces and their collaborators stated in its report of November 15, 1945 that 500,000-600,000 people were killed at Jasenovac complex.
Bibliography:
The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Vladimir Dedijer (Editor), Harvey Kendall (Transl
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Poruka poslana: 21.05.2003. u 15:47
Bibliography:
The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Vladimir Dedijer (Editor), Harvey Kendall (Translator) Prometheus Books, 1992. Crimes in the Jasenovac Camp, State Commission investigation of crimes of the occupiers and their collaborators in Croatia, Zagreb, 1946. Ustasha Camps by Mirko Percen, Globus, Zagreb, 1966. Second expanded printing 1990. Ustashi and the Independent State of Croatia 1941-1945, by Fikreta Jelic-Butic, Liber, Zagreb, 1977. Romans, J. Jews of Yugoslavia, 1941- 1945: Victims of Genocide and Freedom Fighters, Belgrade, 1982 Antisemitism in the anti-fascist Holocaust: a collection of works, The Jewish Center, Zagreb, 1996. The Jasenovac Concentration Camp,by Antun Miletic, Volumes One and Two, Belgrade, 1986. Volume Three, Belgrade, 1987. Second edition, 1993. Controversy in Yugoslavia’s History by Ljubo Boban, 2, Zagreb, 1989. Yugoslav Population Losses in the Second World War, Vladimir Zerjavic, Yugoslav Society of Victims, Zagreb, 1989. Hell’s Torture Chamber by Djordje Milica, Zagreb, 1945.
Grga
Gost
Poruka poslana: 22.05.2003. u 16:37
Evo mora da ti se javim nesretnice, ne bas tako pametni.
( ovo ti je kao neki uspjeh da si me isprovocirao da ti osobno se javim i da tebi osobno nesto napisem )
Vidis jado moj, meni nije potrebno igrati ikakve igre obmana, da pokusam ikoga zbuniti, pa se stoga iskljucivo ovdje javljam kao Grga ( kao ono Grgur Ninski, ako mozes shvatiti sto time zelim reci. Sumnjam, da ti to mozes ukopcati.)
Ove strahote iz ratova, sto ovdje iznosis i dokumentiras, u najmanju ruku su tek proslost, pa kako god ti tu proslost krivio i pokusavao prikazati u svojem izdanju, sadasnjost te opovrgava, a i tvoja dijela ovdje.
Za sve obmane vase slavne i ponosne historije, vas narod i danas placa danak u krvi, jer poslovica kaze da :"neke ljude mozes obmanuti uvjek, a one druge po kad kad, ali sve ljude svagda nitko obmanuti nemoze"!
Vi ste imali " uspjeha " u obmanama vise od prosjecnih naroda. Sjeti se samo Milosa na Kosovu, ali nema ti lijeka za istinu. Istina ti je kao voda, ako "tvoja" istina ima i najmanju pukotinu, prava Istina ce naci nacina da procuri na vidjelo.
Reci mi sto ti mislis, zasto je Srpski narod takav gubitnik u poslijednih 600 godina ...?!
Pogledaj ih danas.
Mozes ti ovdje dokumentirati svoje " istine " koliko zelis, sve ti se na kraju ipak lupa o glavu i obraz kada pogledas Stvarnost.
Problem sa obmanama se najbolje vidi i iz tvog slucaja, jer ako vjerujes sam u svoje istine, zasto moras da se sluzis svim ovim podmetanjima, kao evo i na ovoj temi.
JA SAM TI VEC DAVNO PODMETNUO "prof. Oreskovica", kao ime moga prijatelja iz Svedske, bas zato da se mozes oblatiti do mile volje, jer i moj prijatelj iz djetinstva i ja znamo istinu, ti si jedini koji si vjerovao u tu patku, pa mi sada reci TKO OVDJE LAZE, tko ovdje PODMECE, tko ovdje pokusava nekoga OBMANUTI.....?!
POGLEDAJ KOJE " HISTORISKE ISTINE " NAM OVDJE " VJERODOSTOJNO " " DOKUMENTIRAS".
HAJDE RECI..."profesore Oreskovicu"
"TKO TO TAMO PEVA" " ISTINE " blento.?!
Pokusao sam da ti pokazem da obican Srbin je za mene tek covijek, i da obican narod je tek proklet, ne zbog svoje urodene zloce, nego svojih voda i mitova i obmana, u koje je jadan narod povjerovao i sa pomanjkanjem realnog poimanja stvarnodti, cijeli narod zivi sa vlastitom glavom u vlastitom dupetu i naravno onda mora da i jede vlastita govna, kao i ti ovdje.
Testirao sam te i prije, tvoje poznavanje vlastite povjesti.
Koliko dugo ti je uzelo da nades ono o KRALJEVIC MARKU...?!
HAJDE DA VEC JEDNOM PRESTANEMO OVA SRANJA, I DA SE PONASAMO SAMO KAO LJUDI.
MOZES LI..?! HOCES LI...?!
ILI I DALJE ZELIS DA PROSLAVLJUJES SRPSKU ISTINOLJUBIVOST I PRAVDU..?!
BOK ! ( )
PS. Oprosti mi ali nisam se mogao suzdrzati od ovog plazonje, kada vidi kakav si som. ( progutao ne samo udicu i olovo, ma i stoplu... )
???????
Gost
Poruka poslana: 23.05.2003. u 01:14
Puce kolan otidose ustase nizastranu kako to grgo slikovito opise e moj starce zaista si posenilio, neze nemas sta meljes .Dobro ti znas da u drugi gubili , a gdje ste vi to ustase sada , to mi odgovori? Da mozda nisu izgradili Ndh da je naprednija od susjednih zemalja ili im penzjoneri konstantno kopaju po smecu.Da mozda se neko neugleda u tu tvoju mocvaru nedaj boze , sigurno ne dok je takvih igdje ustaski krvnika svijet vas stavlja u pozadinu. mislis grga da svijet nezna ko su ustase i ciji su saveznici bili.koliko se god trudio to nemozes potrpati a ni svijet ubjediti da je to laz ili kako vi to izmisljate srpska propaganda , jer vas je sram samih sebe.Istorija je najveca istina za razliku tudjmanove povjesti koju niko ne uci sem vas debila.Zato ste toliko i fasisoidni bez razlike na godine , samo sto neki dolaze do zdrave logike pa se ogradjuju od svojih bolesnih sunarodnjaka.
Sramota u trecem milenijumu da su vas starci toliko nacisticki poremeceni i bolesni od mrznje prema drugim narodima.
Grga
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Poruka poslana: 23.05.2003. u 04:29
Dakle moj upitnice, niti ime si ne usudis odabrati, i mene kao omalovazavas sa prezirom "starce" i sve druge lijepe izraze koje koristis, jeli ti to kucni odgoj ili si ti to tokiko cedan zato jer si Cero...?!
Kada obmana ne pali kao ovo gore, i kada nemas sto da kazes kao dokaz, VRIJEDAJ, to uvjek pali, kod ljudi na tvome nivou.
Dali Harisson Forda smatras starcem..?1..a on je godinu dana stariji od mene, dakle i tu si ga zvuzlao, a da ne pricamo o nacinu na koji pises.
Ono gore ti je jako losa intrpretacija onoga sto ti kazes da sam ja rekao, jer ja sam samo ovdje napisao stihove iz Gorskog Vijenca kojeg je ispjevao Petar Petrovic Njegos. U njegovim stihovima : ...PUCE KOLAN SVECEVOJ KOBILI, OTIDOSE KOLA NIZA STRANU...on pod svecem razumjeva Muhameda sto opet u prenesenom smislu znaci Turski imperij se raspada, .....ali i ono OTIDOSE KOLA NIZA STRANU..sugerira i anarhiju u Srpskom narodu. Danas bi se ti vizionarski stihovi mogli interpretirati kao PUCE KOLAN SVETOSAVSKOJ KOBILI ( YUGA UPREGNUTA U VELIKOSRPSKA KOLA OD SANU I MILOSEVICA )ODE YUGA U SMECE. Jesi li to shvatio ili tek pokusavas nesto bez veze oponasat ucene i pametne....?!
Kada vec nemas hrabrosti da se ovako polupismen potpises, a pricas o tome kako je u Hrvatskoj mocvara i uzasno...DE DE MI RECI...Tko to tamo peva da se vrati natrag u tu "genocidnu mocvaru", o kojoj svi to znadu...?!
Koliko protjeranih hrvata iz Vojvodine traze da se vrate doma..?!
Hajde Cedo izvadi si tu svoju glavu iz dupeta, mozda ce ti se onda malo i razbistriti pogledi i neces vise da pricas svinjarije.
Hajde sada me spomeni i mater i zenu i djecu, sve na kamaru i dobro mi ih sve izpsuj, mozda ce ti biti lakse, ako vec nemozes da pricas kao covjek.
ZNAS STO ME NAJVISE SMETA I BOLI ...?!
SVI RATOVI SU STRAHOTE, I JASENOVAC JE DEFINITIVNO BIO JEDNA OD TIH STRAHOTA......PA ZASTO COVJECE TE SVETE STVARI OVAKO PROFANIRAS...LAZUCI...POD TUDIM IMENIMA...OBMANAMA...I SVIM OVIM OVDJE PRLJAVIM NASTOJANJIMA DA TO PONOVNO I PONOVNO ISTICES KAO VAS RAZLOG STO STE NAS PONOVNO NAPALI...?!
ZAR NEMAS HRABROSTI DA SE ISPRSIS I KAO STO TO VASA PJESMA KAZE;;
..."..JA SAM JA...IME MI JE JEREMIJA...ROD U VOJSCI...ARTILERI..JA.." .itd....mnogo pucas ovdje, ali sve se skrivas. Zasto. Da mi i ti nisi neki narodni heroj ili prvoborac..pa ti neugodno da ljudi znadu na sto si spao.
Lahku ti noc, uzmi dva aspirina , idi leci, sutra je novi dan..!
cedomir
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Poruka poslana: 23.05.2003. u 18:57
Joj sto volim kad ustase bjesne..... istine su ite kako svijesne.........
Grga OKORJELI srbomrzac popusi svim srbima prije no sto te sotono pozove na pakleni bal.
Gresni ste i to vas prati dok ne lipsate usrase zatucane.
Vasi novinari ^pisu da ste po svemu iza Albanije i ti bi se tu upinjao i druge optuzivao. Sobzirom da niste imali desetogodisnje sankcije i da vam nisu amerikanci porusili sve najvaznije kao Srbima , vi trazite svijetsku pomoc vise od ruande onda sam mozes znati gdje pripadate.Pa ti jos se busaj ustastvom i pomaganju tih parazita a neka zemlja propada. Svijet se biri protiv terorista , rasista i kriminalaca ,tako da to vise nece proci nekaznjeno.
Istina je jaca od maca svako svoje grijehe placa kako tako, prolaze vremena propagande , lazi i podturanja.
Srbi nisu svet narod , ali vi ste sa druge strane (Cast postenim)
Vidi ovo ...
Gost
Poruka poslana: 23.05.2003. u 20:17
....nisam niti vidio! A SJEKIRA!!! Kakv Brzica...Sjekira je vama lubanje rascjetavao! Sjekira!!
Sta se Brzice tice - oni su onda izabrali Srbe dobrovoljce, koji su se pokazali najspretnijima u prakticnom ispruzivanju vratova - tako da se brzo i sa jednim zahvatom rijesi stvar, i ide na drugog pacijenta!!
Zato je Brzica uspio srediti toliko u jednoj noci.
A na strani 39! Sta ovaj prica da smo 1942 imali 24 000 mlade srbadije i da smo 12 000 poubijali hladnokrvno, pa on se zajebo ne samo za jednu nego i dvije nule! Da u 3 godine ne bi pokokali vise od 12 000?? Kakvi su mu to stosevi?? Kome on tu maze oci? A sta sa drugih 12000?? kud su oni nestali? MATER IM JEBEM!!
"In the concentration camp at Jasenovac, on the night of August 29, 1942, orders were issued for executions. Bets were made as to who could liquidate the largest number of inmates. Peter Brzica cut the throats of 1,360 prisoners with a specially sharp butcher's knife. Having been proclaimed the prize-winner of the competition, he was elected King of the Cut-troats. A gold watch, a silver service, and a roasted sucking pig and wine were his other rewards... [End quote]
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Jasenovac Concentration Camp distinguished itself because of the number of young inmates sent there. In 1942 the camp held over 24,000 [Serb] Orthodox youngsters. Twelve thousand of them were murdered in cold blood by the Commandant. [End quote]
Grga
Gost
Poruka poslana: 23.05.2003. u 22:12
Ma hajde Cedomire, kako mozes ovako,pa si mi predbacivao da sam star i senilan, pa sada okorijeli i jos Srbo mrzac, a ja imao vjencanog kuma srbina. Pa kako onda ti to skonta...?!
Slusaj Cedomire, zasto se ti tu na meni izivljavas..?1 Jesam li ja na svome portalu ili na tvome. Jesam li ja doma i navijam Za domace a ti iz druge( mnogo bolje zemlje ) pa samo ovdje dolazis da navijas protiv domacih, i onda domace okrivljujes da tebe i tvoje mrze.
Znas sto Cedomire ( vidis ja i tebi dodem nesto kao krsni kum, jer sam ti i ime izabrao, i bas ti lijepo stoji Cedo moje ) ; i nemoj sada da me kudis da te mrzim ) hajde da se vise ne svadamo. Ja obecajem da tebe i tvoe, vise nikada spomenuti necu, ni ovdje ni igdje drugdje, ako ti prestanes kakiti ovuda. Ja tebe volim kao coveka, ako to jesi, ali molim te izvuci si vec jednom tu glavu iz te supcine, vidjeti ces da ce ti odmah svijet izgledati bolje.
Bas me zanima kakovi ces me sada epitetima obdariti!
Bok Cedomire, moras vjerovati da ce sutra biti bolje !
star
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Poruka poslana: 24.05.2003. u 03:36
i jos glup ta mi se kombinacija najvise gadi.Stari zalosno da si ostario a da osnovne rijeci neznas izgovarati a kamoli pisati.Hehe predbaciovao , odozgora , odozdole , takovi i td; .Adje stari u staracki nije za tebe nikakva tehnika niti tehnologija.Vuk je rekao kako pises tako i govori , ali je mislio na pravopis a ne na kamenjarske fraze.
Star i zatucan ustasa i neza se baviti pametnijim stvartima do primitivizmom .Nastavi dalje gusiti se u svojoj gluposti a ja se ne-spustao na tvoj nivo.
Grga
Gost
Poruka poslana: 24.05.2003. u 12:33
Hajde hajde Cedomire, nemoj biti zlocest i opet da pocinjes sa tim tvojim " pametnim " cjepidlacenjem o mome jeziku, a sto se toga tvoga Vuka dotikavlje, samo si ti njega slijedi i postuj, to je vase svekoliko Srpsko, da budeta savrseni, ali kao sto primjecujes ja ni tebe niti ovaj tvoj pravopis ne sljivim. Ne brini ti, vec cu ja nekako i bez tebe i bez Vukova i Ovaca poput tebe, da se snadem.
Znas, cak i u tvome narodu se ne smatra " cednim i cudorednim " biti neotesan prema starijima, a sto je to sa tobom, ti kao ne vjerujes da je staro pametnije od mladog ili si tek nesto zaosta u tom pogledu.
Sto se tice necijeg spustanja, na neciji nivo, ja ti sugeriram moj Cedomire, da pocnes od naslova ove teme pa nadalje i reci mi majke ti, tko je ovdje lagao, varao, obmanjivati pokusao, pokusavao vrijedati sugovornika na bazi godina, cak ni ime si nisi mogao dati da nebi imao barem vrtualni obraz, a sada jos patis od "ne spustanja na moje nivoe".
Jeli Some Cedomirski, koga smo mi to ovdje raskrinkali kao glupog lazova koji je ovu temu o svetim istoriskim istinama ovdje drobio lazuci od samog pocetka..?!
Nemas ni srama ni postenja a hti bi ISTINU da propovedas. E moj Cedo, zar ne shvacas zasto imas problema.
PROCITAJ SI SAMO NASLOV OVE TEME I POKRI SE USIMA TUGO, JER SAM TE IZDRIBLJO I SADA TI NISTA DRUGO NE PREOSTAJE NEGO DA POKUSAVAS UVREDAMA DA SE VADIS.
Idi bolan, LAZITORBA SI, i ne toliko pametna, i molim te ne proslavljuj svoj narod braneci ga svojim umijecem i poznavanjem pravopisa.
Nazalost, svakoj pjesmi i pjevanju mora doci kraj, pa tako i ova moja konverzacija sa tobom. Kaze narod :" tko je lud , nebudi mu drug " a ti , cini mi se, imas tu nekih problemcic.
Bog Cedomire, muka te ne jela, pozdrav od tvog virtualnog krsnog kuma Grge i ne zaboravi da slavis krsnu slavu kad si obraz dobio.
Samo-uki
Gost
Poruka poslana: 24.05.2003. u 14:42
citat s-pirovi:
The identity of the state itself was based more on religious affiliation than on ethnicity, with the fanatically Catholic Ustashe determined to solidify their control through a combination of forced religious conversions, expulsion and outright extermination. In the words of Ustashe Minister of Education and Culture Mile Budak:
The basis for the Ustashe movement is religion. For minorities such as the Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies, we have three million bullets. We will kill a part of the Serbs. Others we will deport, and the rest we will force to accept the Roman Catholic Religion. Thus the new Croatia will be rid of all Serbs in its midst in order to be 100% Catholic within 10 years.
Samouki:
A koja bi druga propaganda bila bolja za motivirat Srbe u pokolj Hrvata, i to još na hrvatskom tlu? Napiši nam s-pirovi
nasem jadnom...
Gost
Poruka poslana: 24.05.2003. u 15:20
...S.pirovom... Srbadija (Vlasija) je u Hr dobivala stoljecima azil! Mi smo kroz ista ta stoljeca bili tolerantni i dozvolili im da se osjecaju Vlasima - Srbima cetnicima i sl... I polako prihvatili guju otrovnicu u trbuh! To je bila velika greska...
Srbadijo, vi ste sve zlo ovog svijeta... Jedna od najgorih stvari koje sta nam napravili i dalje radite (donekle) je da u nama izazivate i vadite na povrsinu najprimitivnije osjecaje, jer je to jedini nacin da se prezivi sa vama u trbuhu - i zbog vas se vec skoro 100 godina nemozemo posvetiti boljitku zemlje jer nas vas UTEG vuce nazad u ponor - koci u mislima, razvoju, sreci, nepretku, slobodi i svemu normalnome...
ZASTO TUDJMAN SAD nije (kad Ustase u WW2 nisu obavili posao kako treba) -on ispravio stvar!!
Nego i opet ta govna na glavi, u trbuhu, oko nas... Sa tim se "ljudima", jednostravno NEMOZE normalno - ILI ONI ILI MI!!
Druge nema!! Ili se pokloni ili se ukloni!! Sam odluci - ZADNJA SANSA!! Biraj: Jasenovac ili Istocno od Drine...
Grga
Gost
Poruka poslana: 24.05.2003. u 21:21
MA SLUSAJTE SVI VI MOJI "PRIJATELJI"...OVO SVE SU VAM GLUPOSTI KOJE NICEM NE VODE. PRESTANITE SE VEC JEDNO KLATI.
KAJ JE PREVEC JE PREVEC I TO VRIJEDI ZA VAS OBOICU. OBOICA STE SASAVI I LJIGAVI OVAKOVIM GLUPIM PREPUCAVANJEM I PODMETALJKAMA.
ZA TEBE KOJI ZNAS TKO SAM JA, EVO TI SIGNALA DA SAM TO STVARNO JA A NE JEDAN OD VAS LUDONJA. saharun
DOSTA VISE VASIH GLUPOSTI OVDJE ! DVA KRIVA NE CINE JEDNO PRAVO.
POKUSAJTE BITI LJUDI. PAMETNIJI POPUSTA.
BOK !
Srpskom fosilu...
Gost
Poruka poslana: 25.05.2003. u 00:47
...Fredu! Ovo se odnosi na tvoju prvu poruku gore (u drugoj imas odgovor o srpskim dobrovoljcima "spretnim za ispruzivanje vratova")!
Pa covjece - CEGA DA SE HRVATI STIDE?? Sta su oni to napravili da bi se trebali stidjeti? Daj me molim te jednom vec prosvjetli po tom pitanju!! Kao papagaj meljes jedno te isto, pa isto te jedno, pa obrnuto pa naopacke, pa svakako...Ja ti dao sve odgovore i jos sa masu detalja a tebi NIKAD dosta...Sta jos hoces cuti? Pa sta nemas AMA BAS NISTA drugo u toj supljoj glavi! Gdje zivis? Kako te je evolucija mogla toliko totalno zaobici? Sta pitas Grgu stvari na koje sam ti ja dao tako detaljne odgovore...Znas da Grga ne zna Srpski - to samo JA ZNAM!!
General Štajnfil
Gost
Poruka poslana: 25.05.2003. u 01:27
za sve fosile koji to jos nisu ali ih ceka: HRVATI JEDINO TREBA SA SE STIDE ZBOG TOGA STO NISU NAPRAVILI POSAO DO KRAJA.JER I KAD JEBES< JEBES DA SVRSIS, A HRVATI NISU SVRSILI.BOLJE VRJEME DOLAZI. ZIVJELA OLUJA! STA CE BITI KAD TORNADO NALETI? CUVAJTE SE,CUVAJTE CETNICI
S L A V K O
Gost
Poruka poslana: 25.05.2003. u 11:38
Reci cu ovom kojeg zanima zasto ovaj Srbin ponavlja jedno te isto, a koji nema potpisa.
Taj Srbin nas, sudionike foruma, iz petnjih zila pokusava uvjeriti da nisu samo Srbi genocidni i ubice; kao eto i Hrvati su! Onda vadi neke 60 godina stare srpske "dokumentarce" i tu lijepi kao da se to sve dogadja sad.
Inace u to su Srbe uvjeravali od 1990, i nabrundavali su ih jadne ne sve i svasta, te ih je na kraju zadesila sudbina kakva ih je zadesila i sad, poput ovog Srbina tu, placu i tresu se na Forumu jer nemaju domovine, a jedinu koju imaju nikako da prihvate - ili ih je ona odbacila kao izdajice.
U svakom slucaju zalosne sudbine!
Tarik herceg
Gost
Poruka poslana: 26.05.2003. u 02:00
Daj bolan Hrvati alaj ste bolestan narod ;;;;;;;i meni idete na .......mani te se belaja ponite svidjati svoj poso a ne izazivati rat.
Doce sejtan po svoje , jebemli vas krvolocne. Lajete nikada se nezaustavljate i uvik vam drugi kriv.
VIDI kao prva stranica
Poruka poslana: 21.05.2003. u 15:12
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